results. i mean, it is not pretty to put somebody in jail, and i think everybody agree with that, but evaluating the alternate programs as to successes and failures is not a pretty thing to do. >> it is not pretty, but it is also expensive and findings show it does not help them get off drugs, so, who is that helping? >> again, that is the debate i get with law enforcement folks. they say it costs $40,000 to put somebody away. that is expensive, more than going to college. understand, a drug addict in a year can steal three times as much as that. >> but then he is prosecuted for stealing? >> no, because that is a difficult crime to prove. burglary, especially when people are stretched thin. it is stuff. you have to find ed or they get -- evidence or they get away with so many of them before they are caught. with drugs, it is in your pocket, you get caught, and away you go.